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Thanks Graham. Our experiences do sound similar. Being shot by both sides (not often I hasten to add) was the price I paid for the best advertising education imaginable. It's entirely right that creative businesses should be led (not managed but led) by creative people. However, I found to my joy at the Leith Agency that quality control could be balanced between creative, planning, and account management and still be ruthless. You could accept that a client was right and you were wrong, and collectively bounce back to give them something even better.